Welcome back Bob Piper... For anyone who's not aware, Bob is regarded as one of the best Labour bloggers, and as such he's a pretty good barometer of the party's soul, in all its incoherent, chippy glory. He's right though. There's no doubt that Nu Labour is motivated entirely by the winning and keeping of power, and in doing so they've been forced to abandon their principles. All that's left to the Jack and Deirdre Sparts of the constituencies is a vague belief that being "Labour" as a better moral position than being a "Tory". Beyond that they have no agenda (though I like the idea that everything nu Labour does is motivated by a desire for revenge). Councillor Bob agrees that a One-Party state is in the target
As the Labour Party creeps further to the centre right ground it could pose a serious threat to the continued existence of the Conservative Party. As we have welcomed on board the Digby Joneses, the Quentin Davies's, kissed the hand of the blessed Margaret and invited on board assorted rag bags of disaffected but ambitious Tories who have seen the possibility of terminal decline, we need to reflect on where this leaves the overall political balance.
Great! It's attracting the unprincipled, the power-hungry and the greedy to the Labour party, which is all it's got since it abandoned principle. Good riddance... you're welcome to the cunts.
Should the current Brown 'bounce' turn out not to be a blip but a genuine shift in the public mood towards Labour,
fat chance, it's the combined new leader honeymoon plus the normal conference lift. People are given Gordo the benefit of the doubt, but still hate nu Labour
the possibility of a fourth shattering defeat for the Tories in the Spring could spell disaster for them. Cameron would almost certainly be expected to fall on his sword, and if not he would likely feel the stiletto in the back. They would almost certainly revert to an old right leader like David Davis,
Blah Blah Right wing Blah
which would cost them the rump of disaffected Lib Dems who may have been briefly attracted to Cameron.
So the movement between Labour and the Lib-Dems is negligable is it, fuck wit? Look, you may imagine that nasty old right wing Tories are hated by everyone who doesn't chase small furry animals for fun, but their instincts are closer to that of the country than your's Bob. That the Labour party has had to wear conservative clothes (they don't fit very well) for a decade is evidence of this. Eventually the electorate will see through Labour sophistry so it is unlikely that the Tories will be going
into a serious tailspin.... and who knows the consequences of that.
A one-party state. But then that's what you always wanted, commie and it ain't going to happen.
But where then for Labour? Having spent a year under Brown (and a decade under Blair) courting the Tories, do they effectively become 'the natural party of government'? Do they become the New Conservative Party?
No they
try to become the new Conservative party, but are held back by socialist idiots like you.
Will they ditch the trade unions and the remaining socialists who clung on through the best part of three decades in the self-deluded hope that one day their party would address those fundamental issues of poverty, equity and wealth redistribution?
I certainly hope so. What do you think? It's not as if they need the mone... Oh hang on....
It is a real possibility. You hear phrases now from New Labour members that would have attracted looks of disgust and even more violent reactions in days gone by if they had been uttered by Conservatives.
which just goes to show what an unprincipled bunch of utter shitehawks the labour party now is, but they will keep on sucking the Unions for cash as long as they can get away with it.
Surely the concept of 'left' must include some sort of definition that contains those principles of wealth redistribution and equality of outcome, something that you might define as 'radical'?
Equality of outcome = tyranny. But then you admit you want a one-party state.
These days whenever you mention these things in the Labour Party you are accused of 'wanting to take us back to the winter of discontent' (often by people who weren't out of the womb or the cradle in 1978). It is a nonsense, of course, because Callaghan, Healey, Jenkins and co. weren't actually on the left
No.... the winter of Discontent had nothing whatsoever to do with socialism. Not me Guv. Look the other way.
and there are few of us hankering after that sort of leadership.... although.... in the current context.... who knows? At least in those days you could slip a wafer of paper between the political elites.
So there we have it - the great question: either the Tories are unreconstructed baby-eaters or we're the same as Nu labour? Which is it?
We've got head-bangers on the right making the same call. It's ridiculous. Now I make no apologies for the political class - if they said what they thought rather than what they think we would like to hear, we wouldn't be having this sterile discussion. I suspect that the Goblin King's real position is for higher taxation, regulation and redistribution than even he dare admit. Indeed his actions over the last decade point to a very left-wing view. Likewise, Cameron would love to be able to offer tax-cuts, and is on record as saying so. I suspect his policies will be a bit more "right wing" and libertarian than his stated position. Both are engaging in sophistry.
Nevertheless The Conservative party is the change the country needs. Yes, I would like them to be a bit more explicit in their promises than the mealy-mouthed "sharing the proceeds", but their commitment (alone amongst the major parties) to a referendum on the
Constitution reform treaty, a commitment to scrap ID cards, the hunting ban, scrap by the mile road pricing and lower taxes when he can all suggest he's the chap to vote for. Because he isn't proposing a radical shrinking of the state,
DK and other libertarians say he's a "statist" just like labour. I think that's a pathetic, childish viewpoint, that's only worth debating because it is so widely held. Many old Tories hate him for his social liberalism and think that Grammar schools are the solution to the country's problems. Those Tories have nothing in common with me, a libertarian. I am aware that Cameron's a conservative and unlikely to be anywhere near as radical as I would like, but he's the only show in town.
This isn't a problem with David Cameron. It's the problem of a party and the UK right in general which is unwilling to make the compromises and do the work necessary to achieve power. We've become habituated to opposition and the freedom it brings. I am absolutely convinced that David Cameron is a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Tory who will govern as such, and will be streets ahead of the evil grasping socialist slug who currently occupies No.10.
Please, for pity's sake, the Tories and allies must focus their Guns on Labour rather than their own feet during the conference. There's an enemy who must be beaten.
I'm on 18 Doughty street tonight from 7:00. I will be making that call for unity during the conference, then I'm going to watch the rugby It's going to be a long evening.