Thursday, 9 September 2010

On Rape Jokes.

I have seen 2 articles (By Brian Logan and Kira Cochrane) getting het-up about "rape jokes" in the Guardian recently. Now the libertarian blogoshpere, including me, has been using the image of the rape - usually anal - to describe what Government does when it interferes with one's freedom, for ages. Devil's Knife, I'm looking at you especially. Mainly because we want people to realise how SERIOUSLY we take the government's intrusions into our lives, and how powerless we are to do anything about it. It's an unpleasant allusion, and perhaps tasteless. But apt. Nor are Comedians are not belittling rape when they say for example 'A bit rapey' meaning 'sleazy'. Just as one can joke about life, death, murder, paedophillia, animal abuse, torture; rape is not taboo.

When Kira Cochrane says

Aside from suggesting rape isn't all that serious, these jokes also underplay its prevalence. Estimations of the number of women raped or sexually assualted in the UK every year are necessarily imprecise, but they range from 47,000 to 100,000. It is thought that around one in four women are victims of sexual violence in their lifetimes
I would like to see the study - she links to a report in that well-known academic journal, Marie Claire - suggesting one in 4 women are raped because they've been had sex when they didn't want to by their significant other. How many people define rape as lying back and thinking of England (or for that matter, climbing on and thinking of Christina Hendrick) when you're not in the mood as 'rape'? This is not to belittle non-consensual sex, which is always wrong, but was the question worded so as to include satisfying of one's partner's urges so you can get back to your book or go to sleep? Perhaps 'Havens' rape centres are talking their own book?

If she's suggesting that drunken hubby-humping or a squeeze of tit by a pervert on the tube, is 'rape', or even 'sexual violence', or equating domestic violence with rape, then it is not the comedians or bloggers who are belittling rape & sexual violence. It's her.


JimmyGiro said...

I would like to know the public opinion of these outreach Marxist-Feminists, regarding one of their champions, Eve Ensler, and her monologue, that described the drunken sexual seduction of a 13 year girl by an adult lesbian as: "good rape"?

JuliaM said...

Interesting - I'd seen the Cochrane article (and have a post cued up for next week on it) but I hadn't seen the Logan one.

I wonder at the complete lack of self-awareness of these feminists. Does she ever think of just how unserious she sounds?

Anonymous said...

I wonder if a stranger grabbed your package hard on the subway you'd be so content?

Ping Jockey said...

Don't forget these infamous (but largely forgotten) feminist quotes:

"All men are rapists and that's all they are."
-- Marilyn French

"All sex is rape."
-- Catherine MacKinnon

"...Sex can only be adequately defined as universal rape."
-- Hodee Edwards
(Of course, by 'sex', they mean all heterosexual sex)

These are but a FEW quotations by feminists which show their hate for men, heterosexuality, and anything to do with ANYTHING 'masculine'.
Never forget that feminism is really a hate movement against men, on a par with Nazism.

Surreptitious Evil said...


No - both are unpleasant and are "sexual assault".

Which is still illegal but somewhat less serious than "sexual violence" or rape.

Recognising that there is a continuum of sexual interaction - from the welcome, through the unwelcome, to the actively unpleasant and then in to the illegal - and suggesting that conflating quite distinct areas on that continuum, doesn't imply approval of any particular point or points on the line.

And, of course, believing that some of the boundaries should be set by the individuals concerned, rather than by 'society' is enough to see us damned for all eternity. Which doesn't really matter, 'cause I'm a bloke, therefore damned already ...

North Briton 45 said...

Wow. What a stunningly stupid piece. I always knew your 'anally rape' comments were daft, but to actually defend filling out forms, paying tax, engaging with society, and compare with rape really is ridiculous. And hugely ignorant.

Everything is fair game for comedy, it doens't actually make something funny.

Jackart said...

WOW... I always thought there was a sanctimonious PC wallah trying to get out, NB45, and there it is!

I hate having 40% of my life-time earnings expropriated to pay for YOUR priorities.

North Briton 45 said...

You can hate paying tax all you like, that's fine. I don't want to stop you saying rape jokes, I'm just saying they are not funny and they make you sound pathetic.

RantinRab said...

NB45, I think rape jokes are hilarious.

Sue me.

North Briton 45 said...

@RantinRab. I think idiots are funny, that's why I'm smiling at you now.

RantinRab said...

I'm so offended...

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